Monday, October 13, 2008

Thoughts on Same Sex Marriage

Before I address this topic there are some basic things you must understand about me – some of which were previously discussed in this blog. We are all children of a Heavenly Father who knows and loves us. We are here on this earth to work towards being able to live with our Heavenly Father. We have the opportunity and obligation to reach out to each other – both with temporal and spiritual things – to aid in our journey toward being more like our Heavenly Father. This life does not mark the beginning of time, nor does death mark the end of our existence.

The well being of children and families is something that is very important to me. I have chosen to study this field and look forward to opportunities that will allow me to have a positive impact on the lives of those around me. I am also grateful for those I have already had in my life. Right now, I find myself in a relatively liberal state at a relatively liberal graduate school. Academic settings tend to lean toward the liberal side anyway, and I find myself in classes with people who have very different perspectives than I do which has been a wonderful growing experience for me. At times it has made me feel that I can’t express my view. At times this is because I fear that those who know more than I do will shoot me down. At times this is because I fear feeling vulnerable by making myself stand out. At times it is because I feel it the particular issue doesn’t really matter or that sharing my view won’t change anyone’s perspective anyway, so why bother. Listening to myself making these and other excuses about why I wasn’t publicly expressing my view about changing the definition of marriage as a social institution to include unions between homosexual couples I realized I was being a coward and not true to my values and principles. My lack of vocalization does not reflect a lack of opinion or thought on the matter. On the contrary, I have spent a lot of time thinking about this issue. I want to share both some of the reason I feel the definition of marriage should be maintained as between a man and a women and my response to the arguments offered by those in favor of changing this definition. With that preface, here are my thoughts:

The definition and function of marriage has evolved over time and throughout cultures. If you believe we are all descendants of Adam and Eve who were married in the Garden of Eden by the power of God it is probable you still hold a “traditional” view of marriage – between a man and a women. Under this view, there are multiple purposes for marriage, two main ones being to procreate and to care for one another. Marriage is not just the opportunity to procreate, but a commandment accompanied with obligations to care for offspring and each other. Accompanying this view is the implicit idea that a man and a woman together can provide valuable and complimentary nurturing for their children that neither could provide alone. For example, social science research tells us that fathers help their children learn boundaries and that mothers help children learn to self-regulate. This does not mean a child will not learn the complimentary life skill if a child has only a mother, only a father, or even two mothers or two fathers. It may mean the child is in a less than ideal environment for learning those complementary skills. In modern American society we have moved towards viewing marriage as a means for two individuals to express their love and commitment to each other. Ironically, this has not strengthened the institution of marriage if divorce statistics are any indication. Arguably, children are negatively impacted by the deterioration of marriage.

If you are not religious or have a religious background not founded in Christianity this reasoning can be written off as the babble of rhetoric of a “believer” or possibly even a religious fanatic. However, in American culture marriage was not instituted as a “right” but as social institution that defines an obligation between a husband and a wife and their obligations towards their children. This obligation is an element of marriage that has persisted throughout American history. Today we talk about “Dead Beat Dads” and have governmental programs in place to get money from men who have fathered children because we still believe they have an obligation towards their offspring. Even the idea of divorce courts that determine who gets what have their base in the idea that there is mutual obligation between adults who entered marital relations.

Very simply, my belief that this is a moral issue with far reaching consequences is the biggest reason for my stance. I believe we do not realize the magnitude of the consequences should we start down the path of redefining marriage. I think it is important to acknowledge that some people participating in this debate are coming from a moral or ethical stand point and other are approaching it from a social justice or human rights perspective. I don’t think these two are incompatible but I do think that if we fail to recognize both angles then a lot of confusion, unnecessary frustration, and tension may result. I’m a firm believer in the importance of understanding where someone is coming from. Taking the time to listen and seek their perspective can help create respect and understanding. This does not mean you have to change your view or agree with their stance.

Looking at the logic and arguments for the other side of an issue can help you determine if you truly agree with the stance you have taken, deepen your ability to both understand where they are coming from, and increase the chance that you can express your views in a manner that is sensitive and beneficial based on the context and background of those with whom you are discussing.

One reason people present in favor of same sex marriage is the idea that as long as your actions are not hurting anyone else it doesn’t matter what you do. I have never understood this argument. Perhaps it is because I view all our actions as very interrelated. It is nearly impossible to think of an action made by an individual that does not affect those around them in some way. Our actions affect, if nothing else, our mood which affects the way we interact with those around us. A parent’s choice to spend money on one thing decreases the funds available for other financial decisions. Even the example of same sex marriage illustrates this point. It goes beyond allowing an individual to interact with another individual in a way they mutually deem fit to changing societal institutions to reflect their preferences for interacting. When societal institutions change all who live within the society are affected.

Another reason that people give is the concept that the values of socially conservative individuals are being forced upon others with more socially liberal views. This is also an interesting argument to me. It is the same one that people forward in relation to removing “God” from our money or the Pledge of Allegiance. I feel they fail to realize that they are seeking to do exactly what upsets them about others – conform to their liberal views and values. They do not believe in God and feel they should not be forced to use currency claiming “In God We Trust” but removing it forces those who do believe in God to not express that belief. Neither the arguments around currency or marriage are value free on either side. Each side has deeply rooted feelings toward the issue based on their beliefs – religious or secular, liberal or conservative. One side claiming to be value free distorts the discussion. I feel we need moral legislation for a functioning society. We can have debates about what is moral, and which code of ethics we are going to subscribe to, but it is an issue of competing codes of moral ethics not morals against something higher than moral ethics.

Another argument raised has to do with the innate element of homosexual attraction. In my field of study we look at the “nature vs. nurture” debate. Does someone behave the way they do because they are born with some gene that makes them act so (nature) or because we are social beings instilled with a set of behaviors and reactions by those around us (nurture). A few still that hold to their end of this seeming dichotomy, but more and more both those with a biological base and those with a more sociological perspective agree that no clear answer exists. The answer is always both nature and nurture. The correct answer is also it varies by individual. Even if an average ratio for biological vs. social input could be found for any number of phenomena such as autism, depression, homosexual attraction, being an introvert or an extrovert, having musical skill, having athletic skill, etc. that average ratio could not be applied exactly to each individual with that trait.

If one believes that homosexual attraction is all, or partially, biological they may claim it is natural or there is nothing the individual can do about those feelings. Again, this is an argument I have a hard time wrapping my head around. I can think of several things that have a biological component that I feel most people would agree are not natural, not something we can do nothing about, and not something to be uniformly encouraged. Anger is one of those things. Someone individuals may be inclined to get angry; however, as a society we feel that people should work towards controlling their emotions and reaction. Another is depression. This is something that we know is affected by both genetic and environmental factors. We do not say to someone who struggles with this ailment “oh this is just part of who you are.” We have found ways to help them deal with this situation based both in therapeutic and medicinal treatments. These are not ideal situations, but they illustrate our desire to help people deal with the curve balls life throws each of us in the best way possible for optimal functioning - be that social, physical, emotional, spiritual or all the above.

To me that’s what this life is all about, moving toward optimal functioning under the constraints of this imperfect world we find ourselves in. We all have strengths and weaknesses, blessings and trials. I believe we have the ability to make choices and to receive help in overcoming all our weaknesses through the help of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is because I believe we can overcome anything through the power of His Atonement - if not in this life than in the next - that we must strive toward moral uprightness even if the circumstances we find ourselves in seem unfair.

10 comments:

Savanna said...

Nicole, here is your accolade for venturing to articulate things that evade articulation. I have no idea how to begin to write well on the subject.

This is a respectful, sincere, balanced, explorative, yet grounded, exposition on an emotional and divisive topic.

Expressing divergent views in such a setting as you find yourself at school is so important. Majority thought often becomes overpowering (Tocqueville calls it the tyranny of the majority; Orwell wrote about it as groupthink). You may invite others to contribute to the dialogue who otherwise feel too insignificant to to do.

You would appreciate the address "Where will it lead?" from Dallin H. Oaks, November 2004. http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=8570

Here's a question I have: If marriage is merely a private relationship at the discretion of two consenting adults, why would government--public--recognition of the relationship necessary? (Did the question make sense?)

I wish I knew more about law; I'm wondering about what kind of interpersonal contracts are legally enforceable.

Las Autoridades said...

Thank you for having the courage to speak out on such an important issue as this. You make some excellent points.

dmalvone said...
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dmalvone said...

hi nicole.

i've been meaning to respond to this in a constructive and thoughtful way, and have simply been at a loss for words, particularly since last week's decision on proposition 8 in California. However, Keith Olbermann delivered a rousing, emotional, 6-minute special comment on Prop 8 Monday night. Olbermann, who has never married, vehemently disagrees with its passage and the ban on gay marriage.

here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVUecPhQPqY

for those of you who might not want to watch, i'm including in this response the full text:

"Finally tonight as promised, a Special Comment on the passage, last week, of Proposition Eight in California, which rescinded the right of same-sex couples to marry, and tilted the balance on this issue, from coast to coast.

Some parameters, as preface. This isn't about yelling, and this isn't about politics, and this isn't really just about Prop-8. And I don't have a personal investment in this: I'm not gay, I had to strain to think of one member of even my very extended family who is, I have no personal stories of close friends or colleagues fighting the prejudice that still pervades their lives.

And yet to me this vote is horrible. Horrible. Because this isn't about yelling, and this isn't about politics.

This is about the... human heart, and if that sounds corny, so be it.

If you voted for this Proposition or support those who did or the sentiment they expressed, I have some questions, because, truly, I do not... understand. Why does this matter to you? What is it to you? In a time of impermanence and fly-by-night relationships, these people over here want the same chance at permanence and happiness that is your option. They don't want to deny you yours. They don't want to take anything away from you. They want what you want -- a chance to be a little less alone in the world.

Only now you are saying to them -- no. You can't have it on these terms. Maybe something similar. If they behave. If they don't cause too much trouble. You'll even give them all the same legal rights -- even as you're taking away the legal right, which they already had. A world around them, still anchored in love and marriage, and you are saying, no, you can't marry. What if somebody passed a law that said you couldn't marry?

I keep hearing this term "re-defining" marriage.

If this country hadn't re-defined marriage, black people still couldn't marry white people. Sixteen states had laws on the books which made that illegal... in 1967. 1967.

The parents of the President-Elect of the United States couldn't have married in nearly one third of the states of the country their son grew up to lead. But it's worse than that. If this country had not "re-defined" marriage, some black people still couldn't marry...black people. It is one of the most overlooked and cruelest parts of our sad story of slavery. Marriages were not legally recognized, if the people were slaves. Since slaves were property, they could not legally be husband and wife, or mother and child. Their marriage vows were different: not "Until Death, Do You Part," but "Until Death or Distance, Do You Part." Marriages among slaves were not legally recognized.

You know, just like marriages today in California are not legally recognized, if the people are... gay.

And uncountable in our history are the number of men and women, forced by society into marrying the opposite sex, in sham marriages, or marriages of convenience, or just marriages of not knowing -- centuries of men and women who have lived their lives in shame and unhappiness, and who have, through a lie to themselves or others, broken countless other lives, of spouses and children... All because we said a man couldn't marry another man, or a woman couldn't marry another woman. The sanctity of marriage. How many marriages like that have there been and how on earth do they increase the "sanctity" of marriage rather than render the term, meaningless?

What is this, to you? Nobody is asking you to embrace their expression of love. But don't you, as human beings, have to embrace... that love? The world is barren enough.

It is stacked against love, and against hope, and against those very few and precious emotions that enable us to go forward. Your marriage only stands a 50-50 chance of lasting, no matter how much you feel and how hard you work.

And here are people overjoyed at the prospect of just that chance, and that work, just for the hope of having that feeling. With so much hate in the world, with so much meaningless division, and people pitted against people for no good reason, this is what your religion tells you to do? With your experience of life and this world and all its sadnesses, this is what your conscience tells you to do?

With your knowledge that life, with endless vigor, seems to tilt the playing field on which we all live, in favor of unhappiness and hate... this is what your heart tells you to do? You want to sanctify marriage? You want to honor your God and the universal love you believe he represents? Then Spread happiness -- this tiny, symbolic, semantical grain of happiness -- share it with all those who seek it. Quote me anything from your religious leader or book of choice telling you to stand against this. And then tell me how you can believe both that statement and another statement, another one which reads only "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

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You are asked now, by your country, and perhaps by your creator, to stand on one side or another. You are asked now to stand, not on a question of politics, not on a question of religion, not on a question of gay or straight. You are asked now to stand, on a question of...love. All you need do is stand, and let the tiny ember of love meet its own fate. You don't have to help it, you don't have it applaud it, you don't have to fight for it. Just don't put it out. Just don't extinguish it. Because while it may at first look like that love is between two people you don't know and you don't understand and maybe you don't even want to know...It is, in fact, the ember of your love, for your fellow **person...

Just because this is the only world we have. And the other guy counts, too.

This is the second time in ten days I find myself concluding by turning to, of all things, the closing plea for mercy by Clarence Darrow in a murder trial.

But what he said, fits what is really at the heart of this:

"I was reading last night of the aspiration of the old Persian poet, Omar-Khayyam," he told the judge.

"It appealed to me as the highest that I can vision. I wish it was in my heart, and I wish it was in the hearts of all:

"So I be written in the Book of Love;

"I do not care about that Book above.

"Erase my name, or write it as you will,

"So I be written in the Book of Love."

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Good night, and good luck."

Thank you for listening. Dino

American Yak said...

Hi Nicole...I finally got around to reading this, sheesh. :)

Your points are very well taken, and meaningful and wise. I appreciate that you aren't approaching this issue with any semblance to bash or vilify, even if there are clearly some things at stake here.

It's nice to have people who understand the correct answers to these issues, or who have conviction about righteousness, but are willing to think "outside of the box," so to speak, and embrace different kinds of arguments, including practical or pragmatic or legal assumptions and posits.

That you felt compelled to write, I for one am grateful.

By the way, concerning Keith Olbermann's appeal to emotionalism and ire, and his call to consider the issue of love, he would remove religion from the issue? Can we get a clearer example of secularism becoming the national religion? My commandment to all of you, thus saith Olbermann, consider this "not on a question of religion," indeed, but on my presumptive interpretation of love, and what that should mean to all of you.

It's a very emotional appeal.

Propagandists are very good at this kind of angry, emotional appeal.

dmalvone said...

Let me first say that I think this is a really wonderful forum for presenting our thoughts on various aspects of the discussion.

i would be hesitant to label keith olbermann's speech as an appeal to emotionalism or ire, and I'd be equally hesitant to go so far as to suggest that anything other than a COMPLETE separation of church and state is appropriate. some religious institutions would and still will marry a gay couple, and to suggest that one set of religious beliefs should set the moral agenda for the entire country (defined by immense diversity) is a very dangerous proposition.

i think that when we politicize our views, we should expect there to be some sort of opposition. i mean, isn't that the whole point of living in a democratic society? when we live in insular communities, we neglect to realize that the United States is home to over 300 million people and those people practice hundreds of religions. the mormon church donated over 70 million dollars to defeat proposition 8. just think about how many mouths that could feed, how many low-income homes that could build, and how much good that could have been used for. this is religious intrusion into civil society at its very best. and quite honestly, the saddest part of this whole thing is that it pits one minority group against another and victims have become aggressors and have begun persecuting another group of marginalized people. not a very christian exercise to my mind.

i would argue that marriage, as in institution in this country is failing miserably; we need to look no further than current divorce rates to support that claim. And to suggest that you correctly understand the answers to these issues is a very self righteous position to take, and one that is worthy of some level of personal introspection.

American Yak said...
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American Yak said...

It's interesting when people assume that because somebody claims to understand truth, there must be something wrong with them or their position.

This line of logic is interesting, don't you think? Where does this type of accusation end?

Nicole Smith said...

Dino,

I’ve been thinking about how to best respond to your post. I know that you and I disagree on some fundamental points. I doubt that either of us will be able to change the position of the other. But with love and respect, I want to share with you what I know and believe with all my heart in soul in an effort to create greater understanding.

There are many, many things that I do not know, and that I do not understand. However, when I am faced with those things, I turn to what I do know. The biggest source of comfort, and often the only form of solace I can find is prayer. I know that God hears and answers the prayers of His children. I know He can speak peace to our souls and help us know that things will be okay – even if we have no idea what “okay” means right now. I know that we are each given things to deal with in this life that are hard. I believe with every fiber of my being that God does not ask us to do something of which we are incapable. I know He is willing and able to help us if we sincerely seek His help and are truly willing to do what is required of us.

Another thing I know is that we have been given the gift of agency. We can choose. We always have a choice – the choice we want may not be available at that moment, but we are not without any choice. The choice that I am talking about has more to do with our emotions, attitudes and behavior towards people. We can always choose to accentuate the positive and treat others with kindness and respect – regardless of the choices they are making, regardless of our initial knee jerk emotional response. We choose to perpetuate feelings of anger or hatred or to put them behind us and express tolerance and work toward understanding. This is hard – but it is possible, and it is worth it.

I do not understand all of the reasons behind, and I definitely do not understand all of the emotion connected to having homosexual attractions. From what I do know, and the things I have studied, there must be a very complex interaction between biological and socialized elements. What I do know, and feel with all my soul, is that God understands all of this. He knows us each personally. He knows our hearts and whether our intentions are good. I am so very grateful that it is not my place to judge – I really don’t want that job. I do feel it is my responsibility to reach out in love to all those around me. I believe that true love and true friendship is about helping people become better people, to more fully reach their potential.

The other thing I feel I must comment on has to do with religions role in making decisions. I agree that no one religion should be making laws. I also believe that our legal framework is set up so that the government cannot favor nor discriminate against any particular religion. In a democracy, or a form thereof, it is the people who make decision, just as you said. All those individual people come with their own ideas about what is right and wrong and what we should and shouldn’t do. I for one, am religious and my values are part of who I am and the choices that I make. Yes, when I vote, my values come into play. As do the values of each individual. And yes, we have a multiplicity of values in this country. I respect that, and I value my opportunity to help shape the world in which I live and work. This is one of the reasons why it makes me sad that some people claim that the Mormon Church is responsible for the outcome of voting in California or justify retaliation in the form of violence and vandalism.

When I wrote my original blog post, I was very scared. I nearly cried when I actually pushed the “publish” button. I knew that I would offend some, or many. I knew people would not necessarily understand. I feared there may be some that expressed hate or would no longer be my friend. But even more I wanted to do what I felt was right. I hope that my actions have, and will continue to show you and all those around me, that I try with all my might to live what I believe. I want you to feel my love and respect for you as an individual – even if you also know that I do not approve of some of the actions or lifestyle choices being made.

I hope this brings some level of greater understanding and does not foster ill will. I am happy to have continuing dialogue, and I hope it can be with understanding and more especially without hate from anyone involved. I firmly believe that the more we seek to understand one another, even if we still do not agree, the better off we are. We are also more capable of interacting with each other and others in the future in a positive and effective way.

Jenn Knight said...

I love this post. Great examples, good logic, very level-headed and grounded, just like you are :).

I know this was peripheral to your point, but I thought this line was fascinating "For example, social science research tells us that fathers help their children learn boundaries and that mothers help children learn to self-regulate."
Do you happen to remember where you read this? I would love to read more on that topic.

I think that roots of the gay marriage argument is cemented in one's religious beliefs- there's not a whole lot anyone can do to separate that from the discourse... at least not this far into the public discussion. However, I thought you did a great job at keeping religious rhetoric to a minimum and really examining the issues as logical talking points. Nice job, Nicole!